What was it that kicked you into being cozy in your own skin? Or are you not there yet?
Was there one seminal experience or a lifetime of patterns emerging? Was it a person?
Was there one seminal experience or a lifetime of patterns emerging? Was it a person?
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Re: knowing thyself
Mon, August 13, 2007 - 4:23 PM...E....just once...it was enough to show me that we are all the same behind these masks that we wear. We all fear, we are all uncertain....we all want to be loved and to give love...to appreciate and give appreciation.
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Re: knowing thyself
Mon, August 13, 2007 - 5:06 PMFor me it was mostly a slow gradual thing, with the occasional eye-opening (or mind-opening) experience giving occasional speed to the process. Also, my self-learning process didn't *really* start to show significant pregress until I also realized it is neverending. I am a constantly changing creature, and will spend my lifetime learning about myself. I will never know it all... and that's totally ok. :o)
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Re: knowing thyself
Mon, August 13, 2007 - 10:26 PMit was forcing myself to be open about the stuff I worried made me a freak...as time went on and other people not only didn't run away but also shared what they thought made them a freak I got to see what a not big deal it was.
also a moment when I heard Dr Phil say "You'd care less what people thought of you, if you knew how rarely they did"
wow...that hit me hard enough to shift my perspective.
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Re: knowing thyself
Tue, August 14, 2007 - 11:43 AMi have had several catalysts for evolution in my life, and i continue to grow and become who i am.
becoming a mother was a moment that made me into a real adult, because as you moms know, once you're a mom, you know what sacrifice is and you become part of a world where you are no longer the center.
leaving my marriage was another, having that moment after all of those years when i decided that i was ready to decide what was right for *me* and to make it happen as responsibly as possible.
the landmark forum and landmark education's curriculum for living was a huge catalyst. it was the first time i'd ever had the kind of straightfoward tools to stop carrying around my personal baggage, much of which i hadn't ever even acknowledged was baggage before. the freedom of that, and the accelerated transformation that comes from making big commitments and meeting them, and knowing who i am and what i want in life, was remarkable, and turned me from a powerful person into a powerful leader, confident of my voice.
being part of founding the san francisco late night coalition, during the same period of my landmark work, gave me some incredible opportunities to put what i'd learned into practice, and shifted who i was for the people who knew me. it was a whole new league.
turning 50 was important, too, because i had to start owning being an elder, and a wise woman, in my communities, and in the world.
and there was one hot magical transcendental romance that i carried on with a much younger man for a few years that validated and inspired me like nothing else ever did, and it changed me forever.
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knowing myself
Tue, August 14, 2007 - 1:26 PMWhat kind of questions are these?
I am not interested in being "cozy," simply being is enough. And, there is no entity kicking me, there are just a lot of meaningless memes and traps to be aware of. I guess I am not "there" yet. I am here now, in my body. I continue to uncover layers and die with each breath. -
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Re: knowing myself
Tue, August 14, 2007 - 2:17 PMI was just interested in finding out how people make the transitions to a more comfortable place with who they are. I have had to get there myself and in some ways, I still need work. I do see many people that I can tell don't feel like they are being their whole selves and soe don't see that there is a way to do that.
For some things, a friend or love has helped me to see that who and what I am is beautiful in itself. For other things, it was a matter of experience and seeing and feeling what is valuable about life and living.
Uncovering the layers is so important... and we do die with each breath... and are reborn.
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Re: knowing myself
Tue, August 14, 2007 - 2:44 PMso you are saying that you have always been as much yourself as you are today, as confident, as self-expressed, as aware of those things that make you who you are? and none of your evolution came from any catalysts?
i don't think i've ever met anyone like that before, and i find it rather hard to accept that you're saying that you have uncovered layers, but there is no catalyst, so perhaps i am misunderstanding.
being is certainly powerful. understanding one's being and observing one's being is also very powerful... as is stepping into one's being as you let go of doing and thinking and all that other stuff...
but knowing WHO you are being, and feeling the power of letting go of other kinds of pretense and actions, however, comes in fits and spurts through life... and that is the kind of questions these are. -
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Re: knowing myself
Tue, August 14, 2007 - 11:41 PM> so you are saying that you have always been as much yourself as you are today, as confident, as self-expressed, as aware of those things that make you who you are?
My confidence, self-expression and awareness of self vary, like you write "in fits and spurts through life." My being is continually changing, and transforming.
> and none of your evolution came from any catalysts?
Breathwork. Learning how to breathe again, and breathing.
I appreciate you catching me on this. You've reminded me about breathing.
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knowing me
Sat, August 18, 2007 - 9:40 PMsome of it was digging through and sorting out the residual stuff of a dysfunctional familial upbringing including the loss of a parent at a very young age with the help of some very competent albeit unconventional soul/psyche counselors.
some of it was an intact and innate sense of self worth that nothing could or did diminish.
there was no single seminal life experience but perhaps a lifetime of patterns emerging coupled with the ability to transcend the dysfunctional therein using the tools i was given and the wisdom i had cultivated over the long process of digging through and sorting out what had been left over by the past.
i became really good at reusing and recycling even the worst of it. this propelled my sense of self further than anything i can think of.
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Re: knowing thyself
Mon, September 10, 2007 - 3:58 PMA combination of things, and it is still an ongoing process. I feel more in tune with the world than I ever have before.
A series of struggles and failures finally allowed someone to get through my boundries and I decided that it was time to take responsibility. That in itself wasn't what changed how I feel about myself. It was a combination of the changes and struggles I decided to accept in my life. I have just begun but the feeling of comfort and strength I am discovering is very amazing.
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Re: knowing thyself
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 8:27 PMLate to the discussion, but what a great question, quelquechose! Like Leslie, I think there are several good kicks I have had along the way. But for me, the path to wholeness began with the realisation that I have the right to be wrong, and if I'm wrong it does not mean I will go to hell when I die.
I am a recovering envangelical. One day I woke up out of the fog and decided that if believing the right doctrine was my ticket into heaven and everyone else was going to burn in hell, then I'd rather burn with everyone else than spend eternity with a God that would be so... petty? So I almost dared God to strike me down. So far, I'm still here. And I think that living in the moment, imperfectly, wonderfully, abundantly, compassionately, is the only way to be.
And if I'm wrong and end up in hell, so be it. At least I was honest. :) -
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Tue, November 6, 2007 - 9:04 PMthat is sort of how I look at it. If there is a god...and they are that petty...I would rather be in hell. Besides according to some beliefs hell is simply being without god...which is hell to some...but fine with me.
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Re: knowing thyself
Sun, January 13, 2008 - 12:14 AMI've had several catalysts which have affected me, but the best ones have been purely existential ones; only by pitting myself against my peers and the environment can the true me emerge. I have defined myself by breaking free of confining situations.
No single experience is *the* moment, but I'll give you the top five:
First and foremost I have been a non-conformist most of my life. As a child I avoided fads, refused to belong to the "popular crowds", made a point of being comfortable regardless of what the dress code was.
When I was mugged in Boston--and rebuffed by the police when I sought to report it--I was forced to confront the fact that in the end, a man stands alone. I armed myself, and two weeks later when the incident sought to repeat itself, I stood my ground and told them, "You want what I got, then you have to bleed for it!"
When I missed the great love of my life, I deliberately put myself in the most exacting job I could, and reduced my living experience to the bare essentials. Thus, my head cleared and I could see the world for what it was.
When the job market rejected me, I rejected it in turn and took employment overseas.
When a natural disaster nearly claimed my life, I had to work my way out of it. Fighting for your right to live is a scary experience, and colors your outlook thereafter.
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Re: knowing thyself
Sun, January 13, 2008 - 4:56 PMI got to be comfy with myself because I realized that if I didn't I would die, soon. It helped that I realized this a few years after I found my first actual friends (I was a damned antisocial child) and they were all older (than me) folks who could help me out with advice and a more experienced perspective.