Astrology

topic posted Mon, March 10, 2008 - 1:37 PM by  Myriad
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Dangerous delusion, entertaining conversational topic, or guide to cosmic truth?

Discuss.
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Myriad
Portland
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  • Re: Astrology

    Mon, March 10, 2008 - 1:47 PM
    none of the above?..............well, definitely it can be an entertaining conversational topic, but i can't get with "dangerous delusion" or "guide to cosmic truth"....it is too complex a subject matter to dismiss it as the former and the latter just feels too pre-destined with little subjective influence.
    • Re: Astrology

      Mon, March 10, 2008 - 2:40 PM
      Awesome! What is it to you?
      • Re: Astrology

        Mon, March 10, 2008 - 2:55 PM
        i am honestly not sure. i can get with the overall concept of an astrological snap shot of where we are in relation to the heavens above and as it possibly pertains to our cellular structures as well but as a correlational determination of who i am or how i will respond to any given stimuli or that of anyone else i just don't see it. and maybe it is that i have not learned to read it all that well and i have a limited knowledge of astrology, admittedly.
  • Re: Astrology

    Mon, March 10, 2008 - 3:14 PM
    I don't see the difference between astrology, Christianity, Islam or any other belief system. It's value is totally dependent on the person practicing. Any belief system can provide introspection if that's what a person is after. Likewise, it can provide ignorant bliss and generalities as well as subjectification. You can be bound by your beliefs or you can be set free, it's all up to you.
    • Re: Astrology

      Mon, March 10, 2008 - 3:24 PM
      But where does astrology fit into YOUR life? Do you give it credence? Ignore it? Or are you an astrological agnostic?
      What are your personal beliefs on the subject?
      • Re: Astrology

        Tue, March 11, 2008 - 12:25 AM
        I'd like to be able to ignore astrology but it has been a pretty accurate tool once I accepted the cold hard truth that it seems right on the money to me most of the time.

        I learned my lesson when I recorded an album with two other virgos and we had to all work in a tiny control room for over 200 hours. Woah...a bit too much virgo there, and it was hard ot ignore the similarities we shared in how we would relate to others and work.
    • Re: Astrology

      Mon, March 10, 2008 - 7:00 PM
      I have had an astrological reading and it was pretty spot on, I must admit. I have also had readings that were really off. I think it depends on your astrologer. As a concept, it is interesting to think that the position of things in our solar system have such a specific effect on who we are. My experience with it is not that it told me the sum total of who I was, just what opportunities there are, may be and some of my major dispositions. I don't think everything can be accounted for but it can offer some helpful advice. I would never dictate my decisions based on it, though. If it's really spot on, why would I have to? I would never have gotten the reading if it hadn't been purchased for me, but I have no qualms about it. Really, it didn't change the way I did anything but I am naturally inclined to self-examine no matter what the catalyst.

      I think I could find the same connectivity through any belief system though, just in a different way. Parables are also meant to guide us and provide some introspection into who we are and what we are doing. The entire book of Revelation is about spiritual metamorphosis, if you don't take it literally. For me, I find it most beneficial to take the good stuff out of any belief system and move along. One of the things I strive for is to avoid being dogmatic about any one thing. When we do that we give away too much of our own power and compromise our own role in what our lives become.
  • Re: Astrology

    Mon, March 10, 2008 - 4:16 PM
    not so easily dismissed as any of those.

    in my experience, it's an amazing lens through which to view myself and the energies and tendencies that make up my personality, and the energies and influences at certain times.

    studying astrology for the first time during my uranus opposition (aka midlife crisis) was mind-opening beyond belief. in the years since, i continued to study about myself, and the people very close to me, i have seen more and more verification of predictable influences, and have become more confident in understanding how different energies work well with me.

    but i don't use it to explain away everything, nor would i put my future in the hands of astrology. it's never the first tool i turn to.
  • Re: Astrology

    Thu, March 13, 2008 - 9:25 AM

    None of the above. Well, almost none. A peanut butter sandwich can be dangerous in the wrong hands... ;-)

    As Leslie said: <it's an amazing lens through which to view myself and the energies and tendencies that make up my personality, and the energies and influences at certain times>

    That sums it up for me. My open minded side wonders whether there are mystical influences and forces out there that we really don't fully understand. But the bits of me that are tremendously rational won't allow me to go to something like astrology for making any kind of life altering decisions.

    I often find, however, that what the reading says is indeed a lens that helps me clarify what's going on in my own heart and mind. I use it as a tool, like I'd use a Bible reading or my Enneagram type, to better understand myself.
  • Re: Astrology

    Thu, March 13, 2008 - 7:03 PM
    One more attempt to make a shortcut to The Answer to Everything.

    Dangerous? That depends on how seriously you take. Personally, I always like the Calvin & Hobbes take on astrology.


    CALVIN: I decided I believe in astrology and horoscopes.

    HOBBES: Really?

    CALVIN: You bet. It only makes sense that every facet of our daily lives should depend upon the position of celestial bodies hudreds of millions of miles away. Look here. Today I'll have "Key policies implemented". I get to have my way!

    HOBBES: Oh those mischievous planets.

    CALVIN: The newspaper couldn't print it if it weren't true!

    CALVIN: My horoscope says, "turnabout means circumstances in your favor. Assert views in confident manner. Lunar cycle high, many of your key policies will be implemented". Isn't it great? I'm fated to get my way! The heavens decree it!

    HOBBES: So what are your "key policies"?

    CALVIN: First, obviously, is "don't do homework". C'mon, let's go out and play!

    [CALVIN & HOBBES playing outside]

    HOBBES: Here comes youe mom and it looks like she has a bone to pick with the moon.

    CALVIN: Ha! Watch me assert my views in a confidential manner!

    HOBBES [back at home with CALVIN doing his homework]: Your mom didn't care much about the lunar sanction of your no-homework policy, did she?

    CALVIN: hmph! Well, my horoscope said "MANY key policies will be implemented". Not ALL of them. Besides, it says to expect a turnaround in my favor. Mom will relent next time for sure.

    HOBBES: What are your other key policies then?

    CALVIN: No baths, stay up late, don't go to school... THESE are the ones that will be implemented.

    HOBBES: Maybe the astrologer was looking through the wrong end of the telecope...

    CALVIN [looking out the window, pleading]: C'mon moon, do your stuff!
  • Re: Astrology

    Sat, March 15, 2008 - 6:36 PM
    I find that I believe there are patterns and energies in the universe and I can feel them...but I can't see them. Different things like astrology and tarot and mp3 serendipity are just ways of the universe delivering to me clues and messages if I am open to them. Like cosmic fortune cookies scattered all over the place.
    • Re: Astrology

      Sat, March 15, 2008 - 9:26 PM
      <<Like cosmic fortune cookies scattered all over the place.>>

      i can get with this statement when in reference to astrology. it is also an interesting image
      • Re: Astrology

        Sun, March 16, 2008 - 12:11 PM
        oh! I think I just realized something about me and how I see astrology. I find symbols everywhere, I find patterns everywhere. I draw analogies everywhere and astrology is just another one of those things. It's like a little thing that shows me a pattern/symbol/analogy and I don't have to believe in the details of the planets alignements to look at it and if a pattern jumps out at me connect that to my life.

        I mean it is freaky accurate, I'm not saying it's not I'm just saying that I accept it on the same basis as I accept suddenly seeing squirels everywhere and looking up what that means (and that was totally accurate too!) I don't accept it on the basis that it's tons of years old or that it is a science in that it measures planet's paths ect...that stuff doesn't really matter to me. Because I accept it based on the light switch theory...when I hit the light switch the light goes on most of the time, I don't know how and I don't need to know how because it works for me. So I just shrug when people argue about it because I only know it works for me and I don't need to prove that it works for anyone else...maybe it doesn't work for them, I don't know because all I have is my experience. I don't believe in the structure of astrology I believe in the serendipity of it. Maybe the whole structure is a load of hooey, or maybe it's real working patterns, it doesn't matter to me because even if it's hooey the universe has used it to tell me really important stuff so I think I'll keep being open to listening.
  • Re: Astrology

    Sun, March 16, 2008 - 12:05 PM
    The common traits people of a certain sign have seem too uncanny to me to dismiss. It's not a primary source of info for me, but I think it has more than entertainment value. The ones I think are the most interesting are the relationship readings - there have been a couple for me that have been spot on.
  • Re: Astrology

    Sat, June 14, 2008 - 9:55 PM
    Charts = accurate info.

    Horoscopes in the newspaper = hooey.

    Unless it's Rob Brezny - he's scary accurate.
  • Re: Astrology

    Sun, June 15, 2008 - 8:55 AM
    Myriad - "Dangerous delusion, entertaining conversational topic, or guide to cosmic truth?"

    It can be all of the above. Personally, while I entirely enjoy the writing of some astrologers, I don't think human destiny is written in the stars or that destiny exists in that sense. That doesn't mean it can't be a reassuring and even useful tool for some people (and a money sucking trap that limits innate potential for others). Clearly people look to astrology when they're looking to have events in their lives given meaning or they'd like someone else to tell them who they are - if it's not just entertainment. Kind of like how some people read the last page of a novel because they can't stand the suspense of not knowing as the story unfolds. Since astrology is based in mythology, which is essentially about the archetypal stages in human life and the large archetypal struggles most of us face and private chart readings tend to involve focusing on the relevant life issues and questions of the moment, it can potentially be useful for people as a form of sort of therapy (though the flip side of this is needy people being exploited).

    What are your thoughts on the matter Myriad?
    • Re: Astrology

      Sun, June 15, 2008 - 4:34 PM
      They are actually rather similar to your own. I love symbols. I'm fascinated by how they affect people, the strength of power we give them, and how they crop up in our every day lives. I'm fascinated all the way from how we represent the face of god right down to how we interact with the common every day symbols of words. Naturally the archetypal symbols of astrology and tarot and many of the other divinatory systems would hold interest for me. I also believe that, when interpreted with an eye to psychology, astrology can be a powerful motivating force for individuals who are struggling with self identification and life-path decisions.

      On the flip side of that coin I get unbearably frustrated with my mother who, every time I relate some personal trouble I'm going through, chimes in with which planet is squared which asteroid and how that is creating my troubles. Usually I'M creating my troubles, and I need to look inside myself no up at the stars. My mother also uses astrology to excuse herself from responsibility when her own life goes awry. In this way she effectively sidesteps learning. Then she turns and gives large sums of money (of which she has a meager supply) to individuals who she hopes can warn her of the next dire conjunction she must be wary of. It makes me want to tear out my hair.

      Personally my astrological chart is very amusing to me. In many ways it is a very accurate representation of my personality, which makes it wonderful as a conversational tool. I love discussing people's charts with them. Whether the chart is spot on or way off you can't help but learn about the individual through the conversation. Discussing how people feel about various signs and why they feel they do or do not get along with particular sun-signs is also very enlightening. It shines light on which personality traits an individual is comfortable with and which they have issues around. It helps me define how they view other individuals and what methods of communication should be effective with them. Then, by myself, the contemplation of the archetypes is an excellent exercise. Looking up daily horoscopes or taking a peek at todays conjunctions and oppositions has never helped me plan my day, but it does often provide me with meaningful topics to contemplate for that day.
  • Re: Astrology

    Fri, September 12, 2008 - 7:44 AM
    I believe we are connected with the universe completely. The rotation moves in OUR lives as well along with the stars & moon.

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