Real Love exists or is it just hype?

topic posted Sat, October 4, 2008 - 10:02 AM by  offlineAschleigh
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Real Love: The Love We’ve All Been Looking For — Unconditional Love

We've heard songs about it, seen it in the movies, heard it talked about on Oprah by relationship experts, and read about it in thousands of self help books. But, what is unconditional love? We all want to feel loved. We think about it, hope for it, fantasize about it, go to great lengths to achieve it, and feel that our lives are incomplete without it. The lack of unconditional love is the cause of most of our anger and confusion. It is no exaggeration to say that our emotional need for unconditional love is just as great as our physical need for air and food.

It is especially unfortunate, then, that most of us have no idea what unconditional love really is, and we prove our ignorance with our horrifying divorce rate, the incidence of alcohol and drug addiction in our country, the violence in our schools, and our overflowing jails.

Our misconceptions of unconditional love began in early childhood, where we saw that when we did all the right things—when we were clean, quiet, obedient and otherwise “good”—people “loved” us. They smiled at us and spoke in gentle tones. But we also saw that when we were “bad,” all those signs of “love” instantly vanished. In short, we were taught by consistent experience that love was conditional, that we had to buy “love” from the people around us with our words and behavior.

So what’s wrong with conditional love? We see it everywhere we look, so what could be wrong with it? Imagine that every time you pay me fifty dollars, I tell you I love you. We could do that all day, but at the end of the day would you feel loved? No, because you’d know that I “loved” you only because you paid me. We simply can’t feel fulfilled by love we pay for. We can feel loved only when it is freely, unconditionally given to us. The instant we do anything at all to win the approval or respect of other people—with what we say, what we do, how we look—we are paying for the attention and affection we receive, and we can’t feel genuinely loved.

A New Definition of Love: Real Love

There’s only one kind of love that can fill us up, make us whole, and give us the happiness we all want: unconditional love or true love. It is unconditional love that we all seek, and somehow we intuitively realize that anything other than that kind of love isn’t really love at all—it’s an imitation of the real thing.

Unconditional love—true love—is so different from the kind of love most of us have known all our lives that it deserves both a name—Real Love—and definition of its own: Real Love is caring about the happiness of another person without any thought for what we might get for ourselves. It’s also Real Love when other people care about our happiness unconditionally. It is not Real Love when other people like us for doing what they want. Under those conditions we’re just paying for love again. We can be certain that we’re receiving Real Love only when we make foolish mistakes, when we fail to do what other people want, and even when we get in their way, but they don’t feel disappointed or irritated at us. That is Real Love (true unconditional love), and that love alone has the power to heal all wounds, bind people together, and create relationships quite beyond our present capacity to imagine.

What we Do Without Real Love: Imitation Love

If we don’t have enough Real Love in our lives, the resulting emptiness is unbearable. We then compulsively try to fill our emptiness with whatever feels good in the moment—money, anger, sex, alcohol, drugs, violence, power, and the conditional approval of others. Anything we use as a substitute for Real Love becomes a form of Imitation Love, and although Imitation Love feels good for a moment, it never lasts and never gives us the feeling of genuine happiness that Real Love provides.
Most people spend their entire lives trying to fill their emptiness with Imitation Love, but all they achieve is an ever-deepening frustration, punctuated by brief moments of superficial satisfaction. All the unhappiness in our lives is due to that lack of Real Love and to the frustration we experience as we desperately and hopelessly try to create happiness from a flawed foundation of Imitation Love. The beauty of Real Love is that it ALWAYS will eliminate our anger, confusion, and pain. So how do we find this universal cure?
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Aschleigh
Los Angeles
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  • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

    Sat, October 4, 2008 - 10:28 AM
    It horrifies me that people who are already all confused by watching unrealistic "Love stories" are going to find this crap and by into it.

    Real loves does not mean you don't ever get disappointed or irritated with someone or that you can do anything you damn well please and the person who "real" loves you will not be disappointed or irritated.
    Actual real love(as opposed to their twisted fairytale concept of "real" love) is when you love someone even when they disappoint or irritate you. True love can heal, but it does not heal all things. True love weaves through the fabric of our lives and both heals and hurts as the cycles of our life go on.

    True love does not mean you blissfully smile at someone who is treating you badly because your love for them is unconditional. It would not be loving IMO to treat someone that way. It is not loving to teach someone that their actions are irrelevant to your reactions. True love does not mean you've reached some enlightened state where nothing bothers you. Being irritated with someone or disappointed with them doesn't mean you don't love them in those moments. It doesn't even mean you aren't showing signs of loving them. What a sad sad simplistic load of crap.

    It seems to me that people really want to believe in whatever will mean that they get to be happy all of the time no matter what...I think that is the spiritual version of wanting to eat candy all of the time. Should be be miserable all of the time? No of course not, but a life with no pain is a life with no depth, a life with no investment, a life not really lived.
    • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

      Sat, October 4, 2008 - 2:20 PM
      I was actually gong to mention that being disapointed or irratated comes with true love too. Otherwise I thought the article was accurate. It didn't bother me that they over looked that disapointment or irratation come up naturally. ( if something is 95% right and 5% wrong, I still think it's useful)
      I think it's realistic to not feel loved if it's not authentically given, unconditionally given.
      I believe that love heals, yes everything. Even imperfect conditional love heals much, because it can be a catalyst to self love. And self love and self care heals everything I can think of.

      What danger could there be to buying into the possibly of unconditional love? Horrifies is a strong word for an article about trying to love without conditions.
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        Sat, October 4, 2008 - 5:22 PM
        the reason it horrifies me is because of the people who think what they have isn't enough because it doesn't fit that completely unrealisitic idea of what "real" love is or should be. Then they feel unloved or unlovable when actually they are loved and they are lovable. It's just that in real life it doesn't look like in the movies.

        It also horrifies me because I think that this idea of unconditional love which is connected to the idea that being irritated or disappointed is exactly what keeps some people in abusive relationships. This false idea that if I really love you then it will heal you and if I really love you then I love you no matter what...and then they take I love you no matter what to mean that if they really love someone then they would never leave them. Bullshit. You can absolutely love someone and if they do not treat you well then you can love them just as much as you leave.

        I think too much of our society is focused on finding love with someone else and this reinforces that. If you find "real" love it will heal you. Bullshit. If you work on yourself and love yourself and take care of yourself then you will have the best chance of healing. Can another's love be healing? I absolutely believe it can be. But it can not heal all wounds and it can not heal alone. It can only heal you if you are open to it and if you do the work and love yourself as well.

        and this article even if it was speaking of loving ourselves goes terribly wrong when it gives the impression that if you love someone (even if that someone is yourself) then you are never disappointed by them. Then when you feel disappointed in yourself you would take that to mean you don't love yourself. The one has nothing to do with the other. But finding the sparks of loving yourself is really important in growing them and this sort of stepford idea of love hides the sparks IMO.

        I think unconditional is an unnecessary term when connected with love. It's mumbo jumbo because love is what it is. Are they saying that conditional love is love...but just not good enough? I don't think so I think they are saying those other things aren't love. But I just don't feel ok about setting up judgments and guidelines about what is or is not "real" love. If you are all about love you why go around making up ways to determine if it's "real" or judge how people should do it ?

        Maybe I just don't get the concept of unconditional love...not because it seems impossible but because I've been thinking about this all day and I can't find any time when my love has been conditional. My presence in people's lives is conditional and it absolutely should be IMO. Maybe that for me is the most significant problem with this article approach to love. It doesn't seem to understand the difference.
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          Sat, October 4, 2008 - 11:00 PM
          << It also horrifies me because I think that this idea of unconditional love which is connected to the idea that being irritated or disappointed is exactly what keeps some people in abusive relationships. This false idea that if I really love you then it will heal you and if I really love you then I love you no matter what...and then they take I love you no matter what to mean that if they really love someone then they would never leave them. Bullshit. You can absolutely love someone and if they do not treat you well then you can love them just as much as you leave. >>

          amen to that. i second this statement whole heartedly.
    • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

      Sun, October 5, 2008 - 5:41 AM
      Strong - Well said! It seems to me that this desire for unconditional love is, in many ways, not very different than the desire for fictional romantic love (the crush that lasts forever). Both are unrealistic (and ultimately unsatisfying) and all about how others can service one's own needs without reciprocating - it's a desire for an infantile love devoid of responsibility (which ultimately means devoid of freedom and balance). From my perspective, neither "romantic" or "unconditional" love recognizes adult autonomy but rather seeks to fill infantile needs and find self love outside of oneself. Being loved by our parents gives us the confidence that we are lovable, when we were poorly loved as children we often need to do some of our own emotional work to be able to both give/express and accept/recognize love as a mature, autonomous person who is bringing their wholeness to a relationship not just holes they're looking for someone else to fill. There's a big difference between being interdependent with others (be they a partner or just our friends and community) and being dependent.

      Besides, if one is interested in a relationship that offers opportunities for growth and to learn from each other then unconditional acceptance of any and all behavior - no matter how shitty, selfish and ultimately destructive to all involved - is a sure fire way to make sure that you're never challenged to grow or mature, or move out of the neurotic parental relationship that's being reenacted over and over again in the hopes that someone else will make you feel lovable.

      As to whether "real love" exists....that depends on how you define "real love'. Even crushes and neurotic destructive relationships are real love, they're just not healthy/constructive or enduring forms of love.
      • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

        Sun, October 5, 2008 - 2:22 PM
        That's a really good point. I think it makes sense that people who didn't have or even more didn't feel like they had unconditional love from their parents are often still trying to fill that hole. But I have never thought that the dynamic of parent/child relationships was healthy for romantic love involvements.
  • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

    Sun, October 5, 2008 - 3:35 PM
    I reject this notion of 'Real Love' as a panacea for all that ails you. Real love is sticking it out through the tough times and taking turns being selfless for the sake of the other. Life doesn't operate on some linear continuity, it ebbs and flows, spirals and spikes and so do relationships.

    It always amazes me that anyone would propose a creature as imperfect as a human could perceive or achieve perfection with something innately variable.
    • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

      Mon, October 6, 2008 - 10:07 AM
      "We can be certain that we’re receiving Real Love only when we make foolish mistakes, when we fail to do what other people want, and even when we get in their way, but they don’t feel disappointed or irritated at us."

      I think I love myself best when I make mistakes, and I disapointment myself and I still stick it out with me , trying to love myself flaws and all. It makes sense to me that those that love me still love me when I don't do what they want , and I disapoint them or irritate them. Even if they are irratated.
      Setting a boundary on behavior and love are two different things. If the boundary has to be set so we are out of harms way, we can still love someone.
      I don't think the article addressed setting boundaries on behavior.
      "Real love is sticking it out through the tough times and taking turns being selfless for the sake of the other" I agree. That may be as close to perfection as humans get.
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    Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

    Mon, October 6, 2008 - 10:09 AM
    love is just the mating dance of our species.
    • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

      Fri, February 13, 2009 - 11:14 AM
      It exists but not too many people find there soul mate tho,sometimes people have more then one soul mate,
      but love is in all our hearts tho so it's not really a rare gem.
      Anyways here a good dating site that supposedly can find your soul mate for you lol and it's free,anyways
      here

      www.lovecardsdating.com/
      • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

        Fri, February 27, 2009 - 11:38 AM
        "Real Love" is such a subjective term...it may be that I believe "Real Love" exists but what's to say that my sense of this is anywhere near what you perceive to be "Real Love."

        This concept seems to be a repeating theme for you, OP. Perhaps you are too concerned with defining what it is and comparing your relationships to this definition that you cannot enjoy what you do have allowing it to grow into a love that more approximates your defintion of "Real Love."
        • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

          Thu, April 23, 2009 - 1:30 PM
          REAL LOVE EXISTS, IT IS NOT JUST HYPE . The answer was right there in the question. Cool when that happens huh?
          • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

            Thu, April 23, 2009 - 3:49 PM
            Did you find it? Coming from a purely emotional place, I think you know it's real when it's happening.
            • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

              Fri, April 24, 2009 - 10:46 AM
              I'm focusing on the real love within me at the moment. Love is all around in lots of ways, I just starting noticing them recently. I am really happy that I am pursueing/ working in a career where loving is central to the work. Therapy involves a lot of love and trust.
              I don't think love is purely emotional. I think there are other things at work, like logic and what is under emotion: spirit, awareness, ambition even, trust , etc..
              • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

                Tue, April 28, 2009 - 12:00 PM
                Obviously. love takes more than just emotion but you definitely know when you have it even if you can't put your finger on it. In the words of TV on The Radio: "Love is the province of the brave."
                • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

                  Fri, May 8, 2009 - 9:20 AM
                  I feel loved when someone does the work of knowing who I am. That they connect with me on an emotional, mental, physical level even when it may be difficult.
                  I know people who feel loved when other's do things with them like physical activity.
                  I really associate love with committment.( not committment like marriage) Committment like consciously committing to something. I am committed to my relationship with my mom through anything, it's life long and involves us knowing who each other is.
                  I think love happens on a soul level if it is real.

                  Who do you feel loved?
  • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

    Sun, April 26, 2009 - 7:06 PM
    I thought this might be interesting to add to the conversation:

    www.truthaboutdeception.com/rela....html
    • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

      Sun, April 26, 2009 - 10:50 PM
      That is really interesting. I can see those different styles...though I wouldn't call a few of them love. Seeing them described is helpful in thinking about them in a more concrete way.

      Here is the article in case anyone doesn't want to click.

      The Experience of "Being In Love" Is Not The Same For Everyone
      Not everyone experiences love in exactly the same manner.

      Research has shown that love comes in several different forms or styles (see, Lee and Regan). For the most part, people experience love as a blend of two or three of the styles listed below. Essentially, people have different notions of what it means to "be in love."

      Styles of Love:

      Eros – some people experience love with a lot of passion, intimacy and intensity. Love based on Eros has a strong sexual and emotional component. People who experience love this way want to be emotionally and physically close to their romantic partners and they tend to idealize love. Such love is marked by passion as well as compassion (kindness and consideration). Eros is best viewed as romantic, passionate love - the type of love that creates excitement at the beginning of a new relationship.

      Ludus – some people experience love as a game to be played with other people’s emotions. The goal or desire is to gain control over a partner through manipulation. People who experience love as Ludus like to have multiple love interests where they are in complete control. Lying, cheating and deception are common for people who experience love as Ludus – it’s all part of the game. For people who experience love as Ludus, it is satisfying to outwit a partner and exploit his or her weak spots (see, husband plays with my heart, who is likely to cheat, lovefraud).

      Storge – some people experience love as a gradual and slow process. When love is based on Storge, getting to know someone comes before having intense feelings for that person. Love based on Storge takes time, it requires genuine liking and understanding of a partner, and it develops slowly over time. Love based on Storge is often compared to the love that one has for a friend. In fact, people who experience love as Storge often fall in love with their friends.

      Agape – some people experience love as caregiving. Love is the overwhelming desire to want to take care of a partner - a parental or nurturing type of love. Love based on Agape is attentive, caring, compassionate and kind - a more altruistic or selfless type of love.

      Mania – some people experience love as being out of control. Love is an overwhelming experience; it turns one’s life upside down and it results in a complete loss of one’s identity. Love based on Mania is crazy, impulsive and needy. People who experience love as Mania fall in love quickly, but their love tends to consume them. Love experienced as Mania also tends to burnout before it gets the chance to mature. Such love is often marked by extreme delusions, feelings of being out of control, rash decisions, and vulnerability. People who experience love as Mania are easily taken advantage of by people who experience love as Ludus.

      Pragma – some people take a practical approach to love. Love is not crazy, intense, or out of control. Love is based on common sense and reason. People who experience love as Pragma tend to pick a suitable mate the way most other people make serious life decisions: picking a partner is based on careful consideration and reason. Practical concerns underlie this type of love.

      The love styles listed above have also been linked to one’s style of attachment (see, Levy and Davis).

      * Eros and Agape are linked to Secure Attachment
      * Mania is linked to Anxious Attachment
      * Ludus is linked to Dismissing Attachment

      Overall, when thinking about love and relationships, sometimes it helps to keep in mind that love does not always mean the same thing to everyone.
      • Re: Real Love exists or is it just hype?

        Mon, April 27, 2009 - 9:54 AM
        Wow cool. I am happy to see that I respond to Eros and Agape most. I just had a class about Eros and psyche and I go to the Agape spiritual center, Eros and Agape are real things in my life. Maybe I am securely attatteched to something, ( My mom?)

        But I can see my self in all the styles of love. I like logic and reason, love is taking out the garbage and pareting kids too. I put eros and agape above all else but love is so vast, so divergent.

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