Trust...

topic posted Wed, February 21, 2007 - 3:03 PM by  offlineAngel of Love
What does it mean to you and how do you apply it in your life?
Is it just an idea or is it a tool?
How does it connect to your emotions - especially in regards to love?
How have you built up trust for yourself and others?
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Angel of Love
Portland
  • Re: Trust...

    Wed, February 21, 2007 - 3:07 PM
    It's the generic term I use to describe my various bundles of expectations.

    I tend to use it most often as a financial term. When speaking of people, I try to use "expectation" instead. I haven't yet (personally) come across a use of it that couldn't be replaced by some form of "expect" or "expectation".
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    Wed, February 21, 2007 - 4:47 PM
    trust is an odd thing for me, a balance between believing in my ability to deal with stuff...and my ability to choose people who will not be casual or irresponsible with my feelings. I don't see it as a tool very much, more like one of the incarnations of faith.

    trust and love...hmm yeah I am learning about different facets of that. I can trust someone in one area and not in others. It feels like it's about knowing thier strengths and weaknesses. I might trust someone to not purposefully do hurtful things but that doesn't mean they won't cause me pain by hiding or running or whatever. I have learned that I can be very wrong about who I trust, though I can risk alot because I will survive whatever it is.

    I have learned about myself that I want to be the fool in love and trust, in that I do not want to become become bitter or carry around bagage. I want to be light and trusting to people who are a good risk. Maybe that's a paradox, but I want to make good gambles and then jump off the cliff. I used to hold back so much not trusting people, but really I didn't trust myself to be able to handle a break in trust. But it isolated me. I struggled and found the ability to trust in my marriage and grew alot during those 9 years. Then after the break up of my marriage I had some time of feeling like I could do anything! I had survived one of my worst fears...and I felt strong and sure in myself and my ability to handle things. But I have to come back some and realize that while I can handle just about anything it takes energy and it does wear me down unnecessarily. I have to much to enjoy and to many responsiblities to myself and my sons to make bad risks. So I guess it's all about balance as everything seems to be.
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    Wed, February 21, 2007 - 8:28 PM
    Now isn't that interesting? My first thought AoL, when I read your post was, about trusting myself.

    And there's SV, as always, with the enlightened view.. (And Melissa with the creepy dangerous view ;-) )

    Yeah, you have to trust yourself first don't you? And, really, that's all we've got. By nature I am, I think, reasonably trusting with people. Perhaps that's because I have a fairly good sense of my own security and strength so, really, I trust myself to overcome anything that people throw at me.

    The one place that I don't trust people much is financially. Don't ask me to buy into your snake oil factory. It isn't gonna work with me. And maybe, just maybe, that's because I don't trust myself very much with money and savings and judgement in financial matters.

    Huh. Yet more food for thought!
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      Wed, February 21, 2007 - 8:40 PM
      "The one place that I don't trust people much is financially."

      Whoops, when I mentioned "trust" in the financial sense, I was referring to the noun.
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    Wed, February 21, 2007 - 11:09 PM
    What does it mean to you and how do you apply it in your life?

    --I use trust to keep me grounded in the present moment. I trust that everything is happening exactly as it is meant to happen. So, i use it to be able to let go and enjoy life as it occurs. Werner Erhard said: "ride the horse in the direction that it is going". I trust in the direction that the present moment takes me.

    What does it mean to you and how do you apply it in your life?

    --I would say that maybe faith is an idea and trust is a tool. To trust. To be trusting. There is no to be faithing. Ideas, we have. Tools, we use. Again this implies present moment. Ideas can come from the past or be about in the future, but tools can only be used in the moment.

    How does it connect to your emotions - especially in regards to love?

    --tough question.... Trust vs. Mistrust is Ericksons First Stage of Psychosocial Development(birth to 1 year). We could spend our entire lives trying to figure out, or master, trust and love because it is an issue that relates to the very beginning of our lives and our deepest relationships when we were at our most vulnerable. For myself, I have decided that trust with relationship to love is more about my own need to feel secure and the jury is still out about whether, as an adult, it is a good idea to bring the idea of security to another person whom I love. I tend to, again, trust that everything happens for a reason and just love the crap out of whatever my lover brings to my life.

    How have you built up trust for yourself and others?

    --I have built up trust for myself by learning to listen carefully to my inner voice--maybe called intuition. I have built up trust for others the same way. I always know who I can and cannot trust, and with what, If I only just listen to myself.
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    Thu, February 22, 2007 - 12:28 AM
    my gut feeling says...

    intuition.

    I trust my intuition. I trust my trust in my trust. That doesn't sound very intuitive, does it?

    words. What does trust mean to me: yup, intuition.
    How do I apply my intuition in my life? I listen to my body. Body has intelligence. Body speaks, hopefully I am aware enough in the moment to listen. What is my body saying now?
    How does my intuition connect to my emotions. How does the language my body is speaking connect to my emotions. A headache, I used to get those all the time: anger. A gut ache, again anger. Feeling cold, kidneys: fear. My eyes are watering: happy and sad. Galactic hum resonating throughin and throughout: grounded. Love?
    To love, loving, ah good question. Intuition, and body is quiet all of a sudden. Mind wants to tell all kinds of stories about the noun love. Love is a verb. Okay, I love. What does that mean to me? I trust in loving? I trust in loving myself and others? I don't know. Listen.
    How have I built up trust for myself and others? By listening. Listen. Shift happens. Listen. Listen.
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      Thu, February 22, 2007 - 9:43 AM
      I'm listening. Really really hard. I just don't know what it is I"m hearing.
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        Thu, February 22, 2007 - 12:32 PM
        Stop being so hard on yourself. I listen and let go.

        > I just don't know what it is I"m hearing.

        Does knowing what I am hearing matter?

        Often what we hear is indescribabble, perhaps unknowable. Words do no justice. I am hearing silence, but wait I do hear something. Listen. Really listen without being hard on ourselves. Here is a secret I learned recently: listen. Listen. Do you hear a very very high pitched tone/tones? I live close to nature and I hear this. I need to sit quietly and listen. A refridgerator, the wind, and all the other miriad of distractions might interfere. Listen anyways. Listen. Do you hear a really high pitched tone/tones?
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          Thu, February 22, 2007 - 12:51 PM
          I was once doing some processing support with someone at a self-growth workshop I help out with frequently.

          I asked the woman I was working with to pause and breathe for a little bit and check-in and see what she was feeling. She closed her eyes, took half a breath (in but not out) and started talking again saying she wasn't sensing anything. She launched right back into the story she was stuck with. After a little bit I stopped her and noted that she hadn't really checked in and asked her to do it again. She repeated the process exactly the same. We did it a third time with the same results.

          Finally I asked her - what is preventing you from actually STOPPING and LISTENING? I don't recall what her block was off the top of my head but subsequently she actually did stop and listen for a few seconds at least - but it was a shift for her.

          So what would happen if you stopped, listened, and waited until you did understand? Maybe it'll take second, maybe minutes, or hours, or even days or months - but what happens if you are just accepting that you don't have to know the answer, you just have to keep listening?
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            Thu, February 22, 2007 - 12:55 PM
            I'm trying to control what I hear, that much is clear.
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              Thu, February 22, 2007 - 12:55 PM
              back to trust again, hey?
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                Thu, February 22, 2007 - 1:11 PM
                You can not simultaneously *control* and *trust*. Trust is accepting that you have no control but that all will be as you need it.

                For the first 3 years I went to Burning Man I brought expectation and desires. In each case I ended up getting exactly what I *needed*. Finally the fourth year I went with intention and trust and got exactly what I wanted! Last year, my 5th, I again went with expectation and desire and I got instead exactly what I needed in the most incredibly difficult and painful way. So painful in fact that Saturday morning I almost got in my car and left with all my gear still on the playa - that painful.

                But in the end (maybe 4 months later) I finally accepted and trusted that I got EXACTLY what I needed. I wasn't sure I was going to go back this year but I've got my tickets now and I *trust* I will get exactly what I need whether I know what that is or not. I also trust that if I go without expectation but with intention to being open and flowing I will have an amazing time!
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            Thu, February 22, 2007 - 3:46 PM
            You're great! Yes, breathe. I need to breathe, and listen
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              Thu, February 22, 2007 - 5:18 PM
              Honestly, just breathing and listening to my body and my heart i a big part of my process.

              It's amazing how big a difference it makes!
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                Thu, February 22, 2007 - 6:14 PM
                i'm not sure you can even have trust and control in the same sentence? wow trust is a *big* issue to have to not want to control. in my experience i have found that when i have tried to control things (including trust), life has a way of beating the shit out of you until you have no other choice but to say enough is enough. i have to trust that i am going to be alright and that the choices i make are the best choices i can make given the information i have at present. that's the best i can do. hell i might be dead wrong but at least i trusted myself to give it a chance. i suffered through a controlling marriage with a person that did nothing but control everything and you know? it didn't do any good, things turned out the way they were suppose to turn out. trust is knowing that i am who i am and that i am, isn't perfect, isn't going to make all the right choices, but damn it i am going to make choices anyways and live life and experience it to the fullest and trust that no matter what happens, in the end things are going to turn out exactly the way they are suppose to turn out, and i am going to be just fine if i trust that, that is how things are suppose to be.
  • Re: Trust...

    Thu, February 22, 2007 - 12:57 PM
    Trust to me means believing in myself and my own skills. It means accepting my own decisions as reasonable and valid. It means allowing myself to be full and real and accepting that is ok.

    It is both an idea and a tool. I use it as an idea to remind myself of choices and beliefs that I have. I use it as an idea for how to approach relationships. I use it as a tool for allowing myself space and freedom. It allows me to believe in the sincerity of myself and those around me.

    It connects to my emotions by way of acceptance. I must trust that my feelings are real and valid and justified. For love, I simply have no way of proving it and must simply trust that it is real. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. But when I surrender to it fully I see myself in a space of trust and can love with an open heart.

    I have built trust for myself through practice, surrender, acceptance, and much, much, much hard work and processing. I have built it for myself by clearing out the cobwebs of my life and my head. I have built it for others by seeing them as I wish to be seen. I have built it for others by accepting them as they are.
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    Fri, February 23, 2007 - 1:04 AM
    Trust is the potting soil in which all relationships (be they friendly or Romantic) take root. Without trust, nothing can grow.
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      Fri, February 23, 2007 - 8:49 AM
      How simple, how beautiful - how true!

      Though I wouldn't necessarily limit it to relationships. I think that it is the potting soil without which NOTHING can grow.
      • Re: Trust...

        Fri, March 2, 2007 - 1:51 PM
        so trust in oneself and trust in others are the same or different? they do usually seem to go hand in hand

        do we ever really trust other people? isn't a big part of serenity learning to forego trust as attachment? isn't trust (of others) a form of attachment - and in that sense isn't trust a form of control - like controlling the insecurities that would eat us alive if we realised how little trust/reliance we should place in others?

        playing a little luciferian paralegal here...

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